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Post a comment at the bottom of the entries whenever you want. Agree or disagree with the posts any way that gives an example of what you would say. This site is devoted to understanding everyday persuasive talk. How do we ask for what we want? What do we say when we are trying to get our way with something? Which words do we use when we really want something? When does politeness achieve desired results?

Examples are given across common persuasivetalk strategies:

(1) blunt talk, (2) direct request, (3) give a reason, (4) be polite, and (5) seek partnership.

From these examples, and examples you bring, we can share an understanding of the often delicate balance between persuasiveness and politeness.

- Poppenhusen

 

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Monday
Aug022010

Would you take 100 for it ?

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Furniture Owner Guy: yesterday I had a persuasive talk with woman who bought sofa and love seat from me at my garage sale.

Furniture Owner Guy: She said something people always say.

Furniture Owner Guy: In the photo you need to dress in jeans and boots

Furniture Owner Guy: to illustrate persuasive talk she used with me to obtain the sofa.

Italian Language Consultant: What ?

Furniture Owner Guy: Persuasive talk yesterday with woman who bought my sofa and love seat.

Furniture Owner Guy: Here in virtual reality you and I do a photo of you and I lifting a sofa into a truck

Italian Language Consultant: :)

Furniture Owner Guy: and then for persuasive talk I tell story of what the woman said to aaskme to lower the price.

Italian Language Consultant: Have the truck?

Italian Language Consultant: Have the sofa?

Furniture Owner Guy: I have truck .... no sofa for the photo.

Italian Language Consultant: I can help you.

Furniture Owner Guy: Sofa need to be solid color

Furniture Owner Guy: or maybe just not blue

Furniture Owner Guy: maybe sofa any color if you have.

Furniture Owner Guy: We will rotate the sofa half in truck half out and stand next to it.

Italian Language Consultant: Don't worry.

Italian Language Consultant: I have chameleon.

Furniture Owner Guy: This is not for art, this is for university learning like our episode when you not wake up and I try tp persuade you.

Furniture Owner Guy: This is not moving picture, only one photograph.

Italian Language Consultant: Yes

Italian Language Consultant: OK

Italian Language Consultant: You need it now or you can wait?

Italian Language Consultant: I have my new renter now

Italian Language Consultant: talking

Furniture Owner Guy: I wait

 

L A T E R  I N  T H E DA  Y

Furniture Owner Guy: You rent ?

Italian Language Consultant: Done

Italian Language Consultant: :)

Italian Language Consultant: Want to see?

Furniture Owner Guy: I finish the garganzola and walnut pizza bread

Italian Language Consultant: go-rgonzola

Furniture Owner Guy: go spoon me ola

Italian Language Consultant: lol

Italian Language Consultant: What persuasive language did the woman use with you?

Furniture Owner Guy: She said something people always say in the situation.

Furniture Owner Guy: when buying something used

[Furniture Owner Guy: here is what she said . . . it is simple . . . but it is persuasive talk

Furniture Owner Guy: my sofa and love seat wereoutside of my home at front door

Furniture Owner Guy: and we were ready to load her big truck.

Furniture Owner Guy: Of course i want to get this done

Furniture Owner Guy: and she has driven a long way.

Furniture Owner Guy: So she say to me . . .

Furniture Owner Guy: Would you take one hundred for it?

Furniture Owner Guy: This is good example of day to day persuasive talk.

Italian Language Consultant: How ?

Italian Language Consultant: What was the price first?

Italian Language Consultant: before

Furniture Owner Guy: The price was 125.

Italian Language Consultant: Then of course you wanted 100

Italian Language Consultant: you knew it

Italian Language Consultant: asked 125 to less it

Furniture Owner Guy: yes

Italian Language Consultant: a minuet

Furniture Owner Guy: She drove long way so i could have said no.

Furniture Owner Guy: After she drove a long way she probably not want to leave without the sofa.

Furniture Owner Guy: So I could have said no.

Furniture Owner Guy: But I say yes.

[Italian Language Consultant: As my mother used to say...

Italian Language Consultant: "we will become not more rich and not more poor with these 25 dollars"

Furniture Owner Guy: it is a famous sentence structure everyone know this . . .

would you take one hundred for it ?

Furniture Owner Guy: No other words are added.

Furniture Owner Guy: No explanation and no emotion or pleading

Furniture Owner Guy: just direct talk.

Furniture Owner Guy: People know you want the money  . . . and people know you want the item.

Furniture Owner Guy: it is a cha ching moment.

Furniture Owner Guy: The sound of an old cash register makes the sound with a little bell cha ching.

Furniture Owner Guy: It is persuasive talk in that type of moment  . . . a take it or leave it.

Italian Language Consultant: Yes.

Furniture Owner Guy: Not the time for a long story or an explanation.

Furniture Owner Guy: How do say in Italian in this moment ?

Italian Language Consultant: Always we have time to talk.

Furniture Owner Guy: Oh yes ?

Furniture Owner Guy: you more fare due chiacchiere than Americans with this ?

Italian Language Consultant: Always.

Italian Language Consultant: Yes.

Italian Language Consultant: And offer a caffè.

Furniture Owner Guy: Yes Americans think that foreigners want to haggle the price

Furniture Owner Guy: and here when something used is being sold from one person to another . . .  both are in a position of authority to negotiate.

Furniture Owner Guy: What words Italian use at the final moment when offer is made?

Italian Language Consultant: mmmhh

Italian Language Consultant: offer

Italian Language Consultant: offerta

Furniture Owner Guy: what words does the buyer use when ready to buy the sofa ?

Italian Language Consultant: we agree

Italian Language Consultant: siamo d'accordo

Italian Language Consultant: agreed

Furniture Owner Guy: ?

Italian Language Consultant: you tell me: "Want 100?"

Italian Language Consultant: and i reply:

Italian Language Consultant: "OK, siamo d'accordo"

Furniture Owner Guy: OK now we are getting close

Italian Language Consultant: or

Italian Language Consultant: "OK va bene"

Italian Language Consultant: ("OK, it's ok")

Furniture Owner Guy: if you say . . . want 100 . . .  this is similar but maybe less polite than . . . would you take 100 for it.

Italian Language Consultant: Oh

Italian Language Consultant: OK

Furniture Owner Guy: Here it is very common to say . . . .

Would you take 100 for it ?

Furniture Owner Guy: ommadonna mia !

Italian Language Consultant: :)

Furniture Owner Guy: I never quite get across language with you on this issue.

Italian Language Consultant: :)

Italian Language Consultant: Would you pay a penny for my thoughts?

Furniture Owner Guy: take the words please . . . and make an Italian sentence out of this for the used sofa for sale.

Furniture Owner Guy: How would you and Alfeo say this in Italian in the sofa sell situation . . . you are the one buying from me and you say . . . Would you take 100 for it ?

Furniture Owner Guy: How about your mother lost at sea . . . she is older what would she say to buy sofa from me at price lower than 125 ?

Furniture Owner Guy: You are the buyer and you want me to lower price . . . what do you say and exactly how do you say it ?

Italian Language Consultant: mhhh

Italian Language Consultant: I'm sorry to say

Italian Language Consultant: they start to tell it is not so good as they were thinking.

Furniture Owner Guy: ommadonna mia

Italian Language Consultant: hehehehe

Furniture Owner Guy: I spoon you with the geko

Italian Language Consultant: AAAAGGGHHHH

Italian Language Consultant: Don't touch my geko

Italian Language Consultant: or i will buy not the couch

Furniture Owner Guy: Bad

Italian Language Consultant: :(

Furniture Owner Guy: My brother and I  we do not haggle price

Italian Language Consultant: :(

Furniture Owner Guy: My Persian woman friend she haggle similar to a Persian rug dealer.

Furniture Owner Guy: My ex wife and her mother they go to used furniture places to haggle not because they have to but because they want to do this to enjoy themselves.

Furniture Owner Guy: For my ex wife and her mother it is almost a competitive sport.

Italian Language Consultant: hahahahaha

Italian Language Consultant: Yes

Furniture Owner Guy: My brother and I if we do not see the price we want right away we just go away

Italian Language Consultant: I try to be reasonable

Italian Language Consultant: and not offend the seller

Furniture Owner Guy: My brother and I do not ask price to go lower  we just buy or not buy

Furniture Owner Guy: My brother not even know these words and he never use

Would you take 100 for it ?

Furniture Owner Guy: He would just walk away or buy

Italian Language Consultant: lol

Furniture Owner Guy: Everything here is sold in stores and the people with the cash register are clerks and they are not owners and cannot change the price.

Furniture Owner Guy: I cannot ask anyone at Claro's to lower price

Furniture Owner Guy: they not the owners.

Furniture Owner Guy: But when we buy old sofa then the one with the sofa and the one who want to buy are both owners

Italian Language Consultant: Yes

Italian Language Consultant: Always persons were asking to me to lower prices

Italian Language Consultant: of jewelry I made.

Furniture Owner Guy: So please tell me what you and mother out to sea what do you say when you ask for price to be lower with something used ?

Italian Language Consultant: I always tell so . . .

I know it is a beautiful piece

and i would like to have

then it is too much for me

the piece worth it but

may you low a little the price?

Furniture Owner Guy: OK now we make progress

Furniture Owner Guy: you sound very polite

Furniture Owner Guy: Your husband this polite ?

Furniture Owner Guy: Mother out to sea polite and same as you  ?

Furniture Owner Guy: Do you notice Jewish people in this situation ?

Italian Language Consultant: Jewish people in Rome

Italian Language Consultant: have some  habit

Furniture Owner Guy: They polite like you if they buy used sofa from me ?

Italian Language Consultant: no matter of polite

Italian Language Consultant: they have a  belief

Furniture Owner Guy: Oh?

Furniture Owner Guy: What they believe ?

Italian Language Consultant: They think is not good luck

Italian Language Consultant: if first customer in morning

Italian Language Consultant: go away without buy.

Furniture Owner Guy: Wow

Furniture Owner Guy: Maybe they do this to trick us into wanting to be first in morning

Italian Language Consultant: Yes

Italian Language Consultant: Person try to go there first in morning

Furniture Owner Guy: and the first one there says will you take 100 for it

Italian Language Consultant: may be

Italian Language Consultant: then both are smart

Italian Language Consultant: and is a fun war

Furniture Owner Guy: yes

Italian Language Consultant: I'm a little snob

Italian Language Consultant: like you

Furniture Owner Guy: use the exact Italian words you would use similar to your English words above

Italian Language Consultant: so usually I do not

Italian Language Consultant: then not so easy

Italian Language Consultant: someone wait  for you hedge

Italian Language Consultant: (Is it the verbe?)

Furniture Owner Guy: in forno caldo non puo nascererba

Italian Language Consultant: ?????

Furniture Owner Guy: What am I going to do with you.

Italian Language Consultant: Why?

Italian Language Consultant: what you do?

Furniture Owner Guy: I try to breathe smooth

Furniture Owner Guy: I try to take my persuasive talk into different languages and cultures

Italian Language Consultant: You breathe smooth before to eat half package of Garganelli?

Furniture Owner Guy: tonight I make more

Italian Language Consultant: Your mother liked them finally?

Furniture Owner Guy: I  give you two examples of Italian persuasive talk.

Furniture Owner Guy: Here is one, fuori dai piedi

Italian Language Consultant: persuasive?

Furniture Owner Guy: here is another, beviamoci su

Italian Language Consultant: why persuasive?

Furniture Owner Guy: they have an active verb

Italian Language Consultant: If someone tell me so

Italian Language Consultant: I get angry

Furniture Owner Guy: and the active verb is asking someone to do something

Furniture Owner Guy: asking them to do something they might not want to do

Furniture Owner Guy: your polite example above meanders like a vine

Furniture Owner Guy: I thought maybe in day to day when someone want to lower the price of a used sofa after we have cafe and fare die chiacchiere then the active verb is used

Italian Language Consultant: yes

Italian Language Consultant: then "beviamoci su"

Italian Language Consultant: is not persuasive

Italian Language Consultant: you have a discuss with someone

Italian Language Consultant: and he tell so

Furniture Owner Guy: yes you understand

Italian Language Consultant: you reply:

Italian Language Consultant: ""Beviamoci su...un paio di palle!!!"

Furniture Owner Guy: yesterday woman and I not discuss the price of sofa and we not have coffee

Furniture Owner Guy: she just say

Would you take 100 for it ?

Furniture Owner Guy: she was polite and direct and to the point and persuasive with a few short words that everyone understand.

Furniture Owner Guy: the way you ask is also persuasive

Furniture Owner Guy: you are very polite almost submissive

Furniture Owner Guy: You say yes the sofa is beautiful Italian design it is worth the price you ask you have the price fair but I cannot pay this much

Italian Language Consultant: Yes

Italian Language Consultant: Finally is the same thing

Italian Language Consultant: I want not pay the whole price

Furniture Owner Guy: If you visit my web site you see the 5 examples of persuasive talk

Furniture Owner Guy: your example is one, the lady yesterday with truck is two, and there are three others.

Furniture Owner Guy: all throughout the world I think these 5 examples are the 5 ways of persuasive talk.

Furniture Owner Guy:

Examples are given across common persuasive talk strategies:

(1) blunt talk, (2) direct request, (3) give a reason, (4) be polite, and (5) seek partnership.

Furniture Owner Guy:

when I wake you and ask you to drive car I give you a reason Ii tell you I will be late for work ,reasonable.

 Italian Language Consultant: persuasive talk:

Furniture Owner Guy: the woman yesterday with sofa was not mean not polite not reasonable , she was just direct.

Italian Language Consultant: Irvine want not to cook pasta.

Italian Language Consultant: Irvine like tea.

Italian Language Consultant: so i tell him:

Furniture Owner Guy: You today are very polite but not very direct and not give a reason

Italian Language Consultant: would you like to drink tea

Italian Language Consultant: made the day after

Italian Language Consultant: from someone other?

Italian Language Consultant: so why you do pasta?

Furniture Owner Guy: Yes that is close to example of number 5, a partnership.

Italian Language Consultant: You eat pasta cooked from other.

Furniture Owner Guy: ha ha

Furniture Owner Guy: Yes this is number 5 building a partnership between us in hopes of getting you way to persuade me.

Furniture Owner Guy: this is enough for today dear one

Italian Language Consultant: :)

Furniture Owner Guy: You are very kind heart to talk to me about this.

Furniture Owner Guy: next time I listen to you and your museum curator assignment.

Italian Language Consultant: I like this argument

Italian Language Consultant: communication

Italian Language Consultant: always liked

Furniture Owner Guy: Soon we photo you and I and sofa

Italian Language Consultant: OK

Furniture Owner Guy: and we will have this insta-chat below the photo

Furniture Owner Guy: ciao now

Furniture Owner Guy: ciao to the geko

Italian Language Consultant: ciao dear